Oh it is? Okay apologies I’ll go edit them
Here’s the problem with this. AAVE is not this completely separate dialect and culture that does not overlap at all with Standard* American English and mainstream American culture. Words, phrases, and styles developed by black American speakers filter and diffuse into the mainstream dialect. If white people weren’t allowed to use AAVE, we’d also have to get rid of words like “cool” and “rock’n’roll”. Do some white people use AAVE to mock and insult black people? Of course, and they’re racist scumfucks and need to be called out when they do it. But to genuinely adopt phrases used by black speakers because you find them useful and enjoyable in your speaking, is not racist or “appropriation.” And furthermore, for the vast majority of words and phrases, this happened naturally, without anyone consciously thinking to themselves “this is AAVE”. They just learned a new word or phrase, found it useful or cool, and started using it. When “hella” spread around the American dialect, very few people consciously thought “Bay Area young people invented this”, They just heard it and started using it, because that’s how language evolves.
Alright here’s the deal. Using bits and pieces of AAVE isn’t cultural appropriation. It just isn’t. First of all, AAVE speakers regularly come into contact with non-AAVE speakers and AAVE leaks its way into mainstream English use. To imply that they don’t is ridiculous. That’s the first problem here.
The second problem here is that “appropriation” is used entirely wrongly and entirely too often on this site. Cultural appropriation should only be used to refer to when one group (usually white people) CLAIMS the creation of another group as its own. That’s it. If it doesn’t fit that definition, it isn’t appropriation. And here’s why!
The third problem, and the reason people need to stop fucking using “appropriation” as a term so loosely on this site is because it allows us to ignore instances of racism by calling them something else- a more technical, academic seeming term. So
- If you use another culture’s speaking pattern as a joke, that isn’t cultural appropriation. That’s being a racist. You’re literally making a joke about how other people talk. That’s racism. Not appropriation. RACISM. We have a word for that already.
- If you use another culture’s sacred symbology or something like that, it isn’t appropriation. It’s being clueless at best and thoughtless/insensitive at worst. It isn’t appropriation. The basic problem there is not theft of another culture’s items: the basic problem is not participating in a culture on that culture’s terms.
- If you use another culture as a prop or a joke, that isn’t appropriation. It’s racism. You’re pointing at a group and laughing. That’s just racism. Let’s not call it something else. Miley Cyrus isn’t appropriating black culture. She’s making fun of it. That’s racism. Easy.
- If you use another culture’s symbology inaccurately, again that isn’t appropriation. It’s being thoughtless and inconsiderate but it isn’t appropriation.
- If it isn’t one group claiming it created something it isn’t, then it isn’t appropriation.
There are several problems with insisting that white people participating in AAVE even in small portions is appropriation. 1- it lets white people off the hook for instances of actual racism by calling it something else, something which seems less intentional than it really is. 2- it assumes that white people already have a frame of reference for everything and should never have to refer to other cultures for ideas/concepts. That second idea is fucked up because:
- It assumes that white/mainstream/Western culture understands everything already. That’s literally just colonialism wrapped up in a nice liberal package people can use to pat themselves on the back.
- It ignores the fact that white culture (using that loosely, but I’m sure most people understand what I mean by this) actually doesn’t have a way to express everything. For example, “—— game strong” says more than just “you —— look[s] good.” There is no approximation in standard English. Standard English is not a perfect, all-encompassing language.
TLDR: use of AAVE in bits and pieces is not appropriation, and outside of tumblr I know very few black people who actually consider it to be appropriation. If you use it poorly, you’re just misinformed and will probably be laughed at. If you mock it, you’re just a racist. Stop calling every single instance of two cultures interacting “appropriation” because it allows us to ignore the fact that many times when people on here use it, we are referring to instances of racism and letting the racism itself go unaddressed by not calling it what it is. I only know a few black people ON tumblr who consider use of AAVE phrases to be appropriative or racist, and quite frankly I think that view 1- is simplistic and makes no sense and 2- would be laughed off by most black people who hadn’t been steeped in that narrative.
trans women belong at women’s colleges, trans men do not
Sure thing :)
You’re welcome! And I’m sorry if the notes devolve into a terminology debate… these things tend to happen.
alright, so i’ve heard that gender fluid means that you can be anywhere on the gender spectrum while bigender means that you stay either in the usual feminine stereotype or the usual male stereotype. is this right???
Not exactly. Most bigender people I know move back and forth between two senses of gender. Not necessarily man and woman. I know some who alternate between agender and male, etc.
Genderfluid and bigender are related gender identities, but genderfluid people, as I understand, don’t have such “defined” boundaries. But a lot of people have their own way of defining them that affirms their own sense of gender.
I personally use genderfluid to mean that I fall at multiple points on the gender spectrum, and sometimes I feel like multiple genders at the same time. I believe it is not a word with a super concrete definition yet, but in general I would consider bigender to be a subset of genderfluid.
I am not bigender though (since I have three genders I usually feel some mix of), so if bigender people disagree with being put under a genderfluid umbrella, I can stop doing that.
That makes a great deal of sense to me, and I personally am fine with bigender falling under a genderfluid umbrella (along with genderqueer, androgynous, genderfuckery, etc). Some people won’t be ok, of course.
Pfffft ok. So. You aren’t the first person to send me a message like this but at the same time that last line. I just. Oy vey child. First and foremost, fuck off. I choose which pronouns I’m comfortable with, not you. Thankfully on most days either he/him/his OR she/her/hers works for me and that’s cause of this lovely thing I learn about called BIGENDER. Tah-dah! Some days being referred to as she really messes up my brain, and the same for he though to a MUCH lesser extent. THAT’s why I change it on my profile for those times when something is just wrong.
Now, you wanna know the good thing about a bandwagon? It means there’s something new happening! For the longest time I didn’t KNOW I could consider myself somewhere between the classic female/male spectrum. And then, look! The bandwagon came around and I LEARNED NEW THINGS THAT APPLIED TO ME! WOW! I LEARNED NEW INFORMATION! So, yes, in a way I did jump on the bandwagon and you know what? I’m glad I did! I know that my friends only want me to be happy and healthy and if that means they may need to call me by a ‘masculine’ pronoun then they do!
So no, I’m not a special snowflake, I’m just me.
There are a few people on here that have known me IRL for years, the longest probably being Suzteel, and guess what. For about 7 years guess what name I went by? BOB. Yes, I went by a name normally used for men. It started as a joke but I LIKED being called that. Hell, online I’ve been going by the name Patrick for even a few years more. She made a very valid point about my name choices when I spoke with her about being bigender. She mentioned my comfort of being called Bob by my friends and even a few of their parents and that it kind of made sense, or something long those lines. I truthfully don’t remember the exact words cause I’m pretty sure we ended up drinking later that night» Oops. Anyway tangent. So yes, I use both sets of pronouns FOR MY COMFORT. Why? Cause it’s my life and I need to be happy with it, even if you think I’m doing it for shits and giggles.
8D Have a good night grumpy anon!